Showing posts with label Noah's Ark. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Noah's Ark. Show all posts

Thursday, April 29, 2010

Randall Price: Ark Discovery a Hoax! (Probably)

Dr. Randall Price-Liberty
University
Again, the law of probability attaches little cost to proclaiming the "Noah's Ark Discovery" a fake, the odds are always in the favor of the doubter:
AOL News - "In a leaked e-mail that had made the rounds on the Web, Price, a longtime ark-hunter who directs the Center for Judaic Studies at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., says that in the summer of 2008, a group of Kurdish laborers, hired by a local guide working with the Chinese expedition, removed several large wooden beams from an old structure near the Black Sea, then hauled them to a cave near the peak of Ararat, long thought by believers to have been the spot where Noah's Ark washed up.

Price says that those photos of the supposed ark include cobwebs in the corners of the structure's rafters, 'something just not possible in these conditions.' "
No spiders I guess, could live on Ararat. And of course, no life could live in Volcanic vents on the bottom of the ocean, and there are no lakes at the bottom of the sea with life in them nor are there Antarctic lakes beneath glaciers, with life in them.

But there are.

I fervently hope the Ark has been found. The cruelest parts of me would enjoy the good laugh that comes with such a discovery.

The green jealousy of archaeologists and academics that didn't discover the Ark, is already on display. They have no more proof that the "Ark" was hauled up piece by piece than the discoverers do, to prove the Ark is there, or at least, that proof hasn't been offered. Yet.

Those that don't believe will explain it away. Islamic crazies will probably scale Ararat to blow it up, because it is an affront to Islam since Ararat is not Mt. Judi.
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Wednesday, April 28, 2010

Ark Doubters have their say


In truth, if it's not the ark that was just found, they're not Ark Doubters, they're fraud finders. Who is right? Probably the doubters:
National Geographic - "As a creationist, (Biologist Todd) Wood (director of the Center for Origins Research at Bryan College in Tennessee) believes God created Earth and its various life-forms out of nothing roughly 6,000 years ago.

'If you accept a young chronology for the Earth ... then radiocarbon dating has to be reinterpreted,' because the method often yields dates much older than 6,000 years, Wood said.

Radiocarbon dating estimates the ages of organic objects by measuring the radioisotope carbon 14, which is known to decay at a set rate over time. The method is generally thought to reach its limit with objects about 60,000 years old. Earth is generally thought to be about four and a half billion years old.

Across the board, radiocarbon dates need to be recalibrated, Wood believes, to reflect shorter time frames.

Given this perceived overestimation in radiocarbon daiting (sic), the wood the Noah's Ark Ministries International team found should have a 'traditional' radiocarbon date of several tens of thousands of years if the wood is truly 4,800 years old, Wood said.

'I'm really, really skeptical that this could possibly be Noah's Ark,' he added. The wood date is 'way, way, way too young.'

Wood thinks Noah's ark will never be found, because 'it would have been prime timber after the flood,' he said.

'If you just got off the ark, and there's no trees, what are you going to build your house out of? You've got a huge boat made of wood, so let's use that," he said. "So I think it got torn apart and scavenged for building material basically.' "
Wood has a point. Actually, more than one. In case you didn't understand his point well, let me rephrase. Wood believes that Radio Carbon dating is inaccurate and increasingly so as you go farther into the past.

Why?

Our cosmology, on which we base radio carbon dating, is all wrong. Without going to deeply into it, it is clear that if radio carbon dating shows that an object is a billion years old, but the Earth by other means can be demonstrated to be 6000 years old, then something happens several thousand years ago with carbon 14 absorption or decay that we haven't accounted for.

Another way of putting it? Carbon 14 dating is the product of a circular argument. "These rocks are 14 billion years old" says the geologist. The Carbon Dating assumption is then that the rock is 14 billion years old. It is also based on a constant rate of decay being assumed, and we haven't been observing radioactive decay long enough, to say with a certainty, that it is constant. We can't even say that Carbon 14 was present in the atmosphere in the same amounts that it is now, way back when. That's the rough form of the criticism of Carbon dating.

In short a group of amateur hoaxers may have offended the science of the group their pandering to, which are creationists and Biblical literalists.

I tend to agree that the Ark would have been building material, and not. That's a lot of wood, high up on a mountain and it was put together to withstand rough seas. Labor is in short supply, and there would be a lot of log jams as the flood waters receded. Wood is correct though, if he was saying the Ark was the only source of "processed" timber available.

In the end all the brainy explanations aren't why I think the doubters are right. It's just that the odds are in their favor. Every time one of these claims comes up, you could just say "It's a fraud" and you stand a "99.9%" chance, of being right.
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Tuesday, April 27, 2010

Noah's Ark Found?

Is this Noah's Ark?
I'm always enthusiastic about the possibility, because Noah's ark was a real historical object.
Since it was, the only question in my mind would be, is it still? There is no reason the Ark having once existed, still exists, but high elevation and several other factors do make it possible.
The UK Daily Mail - "The team of Turks and Chinese researchers from Noah's Ark Ministries International in Hong Kong say they made the discovery on Ararat - the biblical resting place of the ark - in October.

At a press conference yesterday to announce the discovery, another team member, Panda Lee, said: 'I saw a structure built with plank-like timber. Each plank was about eight inches wide. I could see tenons, proof of ancient construction predating the use of metal nails. We walked about 100 metres to another site. I could see broken wood fragments embedded in a glacier, and some 20 metres long.'

The structure had several compartments, some with wooden beams, the team said.

The wooden walls of one compartment were smooth and curved while the video shown by the explorers revealed doors, staircases and nails. The team said the wood appeared to be cypress although, according to the Bible, the ark was built from gopher.

The group ruled out identifying the find as a human settlement, saying none had been found so high up in that area. They are keeping the exact location secret."
I seem to remember that no one really knows what "Gopher Wood" is, perhaps now we know.
Christian Answers - "Most modern English versions of the Bible translate it as 'cypress.' This is probably incorrect and is really only a guess supported by very weak evidence. Why cypress? In trying to solve the identity of 'gopher wood,' some guessed that a transliteration might be involved ('kupar' into 'gopher'). Adam Clarke's Commentary says, 'supposing the Greek word kuparissov, cypress, was formed from the Hebrew rpg, gopher; for take away the termination issov, and then gopher and kupar will have a near resemblance.' Another supposed evidence for 'cypress' is based on the fact that cypress trees are large and strong, and in the post-Flood earth, at least, once grew abundantly in Chaldea and Armenia. Armenia is where the ark is believed to have landed, in the mountains of Ararat."
Either our Ark seekers are pandering, or maybe the modern scholarship is right, it's cypress.

I've been enthusiastic about possible finds before. There are a lot of charaltans out there in the Biblical Relic Search, but this is intriguing.

Here's a video of the find.
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