Showing posts with label Fords Bush Bible Church. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Fords Bush Bible Church. Show all posts

Wednesday, August 05, 2009

Marty Braemer's Paramour removed from the Modern Pharisee

In an email exchange with an acquaintance of Marty's lover, I was urged to remove references to her by name.
I replied that she was evidence of Marty's adultery. She is no longer necessary evidence of Marty's adultery, so her name has been removed. If I missed any reference to her by name, let me know and I'll clean it up. This is over, at least this phase of it is over. There is no need to pillory her beyond the time necessary to expose the sin of a man who has now confessed, and repented of that sin.

This effectively ends my foreseeable interest in the former "Pastor."
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Sunday, August 02, 2009

Replying to Marty, Hopefully for the last time (UPDATED)

Marty Braemer has now confessed to the adultery that was broken as news here. It should be noted that Marty, as of 9:01 AM EDT, 08/03/2009, has taken back his slam of yours truly. Ok, he DELETED the slam. It should be also noted that I wrote a letter to the FFF explaining that I regarded them as having three options, none of which included letting Marty have a free shot at me. So again Marty does what's right, but after being FORCED to do so. I have not received an apology for his rant from him.
I copied exactly what he wrote without much in the way of observation, earlier in the day, now I shall reply, because he names me. Marty starts off well, and quotes an appropriate scripture. I have no quarrel with that and applaud him, as it is well done. No one can undo the past so you deal with failings in the best way you can.
"If you are you hoping for salacious details you will be sorely disappointed with this statement. I resigned the pastorate of the Fords Bush Bible Church on Sunday, July 26th following an admission to my wife on the previous Wednesday that I had violated our marriage vows and breached her trust. I sinned. I had a 9 month affair. No excuses. No details."
This I also have no quarrel with and I am not Marty's judge, but I thought since I would later judge remarks made towards me personally, I should make that distinction. In confessing fully and publicly to the sin he did commit, he need not name times and places, or even with whom he committed the act.
"I have spent the better part of a week going to individuals privately to repent. This morning the repentance was done before the corporate body. I am so sorry and sickened in my heart to have failed my God, my wife, my children, my family, and the church families I pastored."
Excellent as well. This is the trench warfare of repentance. Going eyeball to eyeball with those you have wronged. The problem is, a poster he knows at the FFF, says he hasn't done this.
"When you going to look my brother and father in the eye and say your sorry? When are you going to make ammends (sic) to the church regarding my family? All of a sudden they aren't such bad people and trouble makers and the church needs to know that."
All of which says Marty may be mostly angry he got caught, and is still judgmental, as always. His sins are always small by comparison to ours, supposedly committed in the act of apprehending him in his sin.

So Marty reverts to form. When you're apologizing for a sin as grievous and as long standing as his adultery over 9 months, you don't pick nits. The excesses of those that brought you to justice are not to be brought up by the accused, in view of the fact that the evidence was obtained in fully legitimate ways, and Church justice is not Civil justice. If you did it, and you confess to it, you should shut up about the behavior of those who nailed you. None of this would have happened if Marty hadn't dipped his wick where it was not supposed to be. Another man's wife. He gives as one of his reasons for posting publicly, the following:
"To stem the tide of some of the misinformation being reported as fact."
Unless it is to remove from suspicion, someone under suspicion or accusation, this is not an important goal for Marty. It is a plea he should make to his judges in the church, and allow them to correct if they see fit.
"Mr. McBryde did not break a news story."
Oh, but I did. There is no news publication in the world that had been willing to state it was adultery, including the blog "Conservative Babylon" which is by no means a Christian Publication. I held back a day until I published the news, after I confirmed it. I could have been 24 hours earlier with what are now largely substantiated names dates and places. I was tipped. I don't follow Marty Braemer around. I have made only passing references to him twice before this affair came to the public eye, and they were not harsh references. I emailed him first:
"Just Checking Marty, I would not wish to slander you.

Believe it or not, you have my prayers and support if this resignation was unplanned or does not represent an improvement in your life."
I was hoping for the best. Later as details began to come out I firmly drilled him about them, and asked for his confirmation or denial, he told me it was none of my business.
"I had already resigned and was in the repentance process before his blog published any of this."
Some of his now justified accusers, have not received his repentance yet.
"The church and the board already knew. There was no need to publish anyone’s name."
Marty could have easily told me it was adultery, and asked for my forbearance stating that if he did not confess, I could hold him accountable. One of the reasons I was approached with his story is that I have a reputation among those I have known, that also know him, as being discrete and honest. Those that came forward had to be convinced that I was a person of such character before sharing names dates and places, with the understanding that I was trustworthy enough not to publish personal detail that could be traced back to those witnesses.
"Hugh has been waiting for his chance to pounce since he was removed from this forum."
False, waiting and confirming is not pouncing. Marty does not occupy my thoughts.
"His pro views on polygamy and adult men engaging in intimate activity with under age girls is well known and documented. His motive is one of vengeance and not Christ centered discipline with the hope of restoration. God will deal with that in His own way just as He deals with all of us."
And so Marty backs up on a retraction he made two years ago.
"I withdraw my assertion that he is a sexual predator. Since that allegation insinuates criminal activity and to my knowledge there is no evidence to support this claim I hereby retract the statement."
I'm sorry, but the phrase "like a dog returning to it's own vomit" comes to mind. The retraction was not that sincere but I chose to take it that way to keep peace. It is now apparent that I was foolish to do so.
"The main source of information to Hugh comes from the letter of a former member. His letter contains erroneous misinformation and outright lies."
Yeah, but the core accusation turned out to be true, didn't it? Furthermore, I have no idea if I am in receipt of any of these specific materials. I know what I have, and that is is corroborated, and now confessed to by Marty.
"His account, as written on Hugh’s blog, of what transpired in my office is inaccurate at best. In the first place, he was not there, so what he wrote is hearsay."
Apparently the meeting did take place, just as I said.

I'm going to warn people right now. The man's apology is incomplete and sounds altogether like the apology of a man caught, who has no choice. 10 days ago Marty confessed to his wife. 7 days ago he resigned. He's moving already. He spoke of this as being a "whirlwind" couple of days like he was moving on to scary but exciting new career vistas. We do not know if he was exacting privacy agreements from the Church, or from the witnesses or threatening to sue if this came out. All we know is he resigned, did some quick damage control, and was headed out of town and then he was outed.

We cannot now know if he would have made his full confession. He could have plead that he was tired, made an oblique reference to moral failings, and dragged the red herring of distraction across his trail and laid low until he could inflict himself on another congregation. Probably he'll land at some job doing marriage counseling or conflict resolution. Perhaps he already has. Quick moves like this mean he's got something waiting for him.

My intimate debate contact with Marty says he doesn't deny as a first concealment for a direct hit. He does not reply to the rumored allegation that another adultery is in his past. That perhaps another adultery contributed to a church split. I'd like to know if he's had other adulterous affairs. If so, how many? He needn't name the consorts in question, but at this point we probably ought to know just how many dance partners he's had in life, and how many of them were married to other men.
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Marty Braemer confesses, Lashes out at your Modern Pharisee (AND takes it back)

This is Marty Braemer's side of the story, his sin of adultery, he personally acknowledges. He is still (it would seem) an angry man that his sin has been publicly aired:
"Psa 32:5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin.

If you are you hoping for salacious details you will be sorely disappointed with this statement. I resigned the pastorate of the Fords Bush Bible Church on Sunday, July 26th following an admission to my wife on the previous Wednesday that I had violated our marriage vows and breached her trust. I sinned. I had a 9 month affair. No excuses. No details.

I have spent the better part of a week going to individuals privately to repent. This morning the repentance was done before the corporate body. I am so sorry and sickened in my heart to have failed my God, my wife, my children, my family, and the church families I pastored.

I am posting this here for three reasons:

1. To make known what I have done and to seek the forgiveness of those whom my careless words and judgmental attitudes only served to reveal my own hypocrisy. Chad, Bob, and James … I am sorry and I ask your forgiveness.

2. To stem the tide of some of the misinformation being reported as fact.

3. To magnify my God for His bounty of goodness despite my failings.

I have been blessed with a wife I do not deserve and four wonderful children. We have submitted ourselves to a council of pastors as we begin the healing and restoration process. We are in the process of relocating. I would appreciate your prayers for my children. The only place they have ever known is Fords Bush. They are leaving grandparents, friends, and the only life they have ever known.

My amazing wife has spent many hours this week reaching out and ministering to the other woman. It was part of her process in dealing with all of this. Some of you who feel the need to blog things might do well to remember that there are many lives, young and old, involved in this. Both families have extended family and immediate family within the church. I know, some of you want your pound of flesh because I have offended you. So be it. But take it, for whatever it is worth, from someone who knows firsthand what it is to jump on someone over a fall or a failure … we reap what we sow.

Mr. McBryde did not break a news story. I had already resigned and was in the repentance process before his blog published any of this. The church and the board already knew. There was no need to publish anyone’s name. Hugh has been waiting for his chance to pounce since he was removed from this forum. His pro views on polygamy and adult men engaging in intimate activity with under age girls is well known and documented. His motive is one of vengeance and not Christ centered discipline with the hope of restoration. God will deal with that in His own way just as He deals with all of us.

The main source of information to Hugh comes from the letter of a former member. His letter contains erroneous misinformation and outright lies. He lied about my wife in the letter as well as Brother Keever’s wife. He never once followed Matthew 18 in any of this. He has never confronted me. But he did hand deliver his epistle to my mother-in-law.

His account, as written on Hugh’s blog, of what transpired in my office is inaccurate at best. In the first place, he was not there, so what he wrote is hearsay. By the way, he was not a witness to anything he wrote. In the second place, the chairman of the board of deacons WAS there and gives a completely different account of what happened. As far as making a slip and using her name in the office … I had two secretaries whom I always referred to by name as well as all of the female staff members. Again, his motives are clearly seen as nothing more than spite and sour grapes
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Enough of that.

God has ministered to us in so many wonderful ways I do not know where to begin. My wife and I will be spending a week together. Brother Keever and the Fords Bush Faith Family have reached out and ministered to my kids and to us. We have been talking and praying together like never before.

My wife is supremely confident in this major move in our lives. For the first time I am out of my comfort zone and apprehensive and scared. Several years ago I sensed God wanting us to move but the fundamentalist position is not to move unless you have somewhere to go, so I stayed. I now believe that staying was disobedient. Abraham moved when he didn’t even know where he was going. God blessed him for that. My lack of trust in Him and reliance on me and my flesh has led me to a place where now I have no choice but to trust Him.

Thank you for the many PMs of prayers and support. I appreciated the phone calls from Stephen and Patebald. Marji and Riverwalker … you two have no idea how much you have ministered to me. Pate … my wife loooooved the video clip you sent. Joan of Arc, Jaded, and others … thank you, thank you, thank you.

I will close with a conversation I had with Pate via PM. When Christ gathered with His disciples for the last supper … He looked at Peter and said they would all meet in Galilee in so many days. He said this knowing that Peter would lie, deny, and curse he ever knew Him. Despite Peter’s coming failure … Christ said, “after We get through this We’ll meet for breakfast in Galilee.” Invited to come and dine.

That account has brought incredible comfort to me. Despite my failures and my sins … my Lord still desires to fellowship with me. I do not know what the future holds. I only know that I need to draw close to Him if I am ever going to be the husband and father I need to be.


PS
This message approved by Mrs Braemer"
You can view it here at this link. I may choose to comment on Marty's view of me later, but for now this is his platform, aside from my comment about his anger and lashing out at me personally.

*Marty, as of 9:01 EDT 08/03/2009 decided to take back his now "stricken" accusations shown above. He has indicated he will be contacting an offended party he had neglected to contact. That apparently does not include me.
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Friday, July 31, 2009

Lurid is the Word: Marty Braemer's Adultery (UPDATED and CORROBORATED)

This is not the Scarlet Letter indiscretion of Hester Prynne. This is instead, lurid pornography.
I know of no way to describe it other than to say when we let the little head do the thinking, destructive single minded insanity occurs.

In late 2008 (if I am to understand this correctly) it was alleged that during prayer meetings Pastor Marty Braemer requested that he be given a place where he could escape two times a week, and be alone. If true, it would seem he wanted this as a lover's getaway. Whether Marty got his wish is unknown at this point, but it would seem he did not, as his affair and his utter lack of self control spilled out into ever more public settings. It's almost like a suicide.

The following is said to be signed off on by multiple witnesses:

Wednesday January 21st, 2009. A young person observes Marty kissing (his lover) in "Trailer 3" which is a "Victory Christian Academy" classroom. The witness is sickened and leaves, but curiosity or self preservation makes the witness return with another in tow and together they observe Marty "sitting on a desk" with "(his lover) standing between his legs."

The students go to parents shortly afterward and Marty is confronted three days later on a Saturday. The student bravely looks Marty in the eyes and declares what was seen. "I saw you kissing (his lover)." Marty replies that he did not see him "Kiss (his lover)." The protocol at this school is probably that all adults are "Mr. Mrs. or Miss." Doubtless that protocol extends to adults referring to one another in the presence of students to foster respect. Pastor Marty Braemer replies in what the writer calls a "Freudian Slip" referring to (his lover by her first name).

Immediately the family of the witness is harassed and attacked. The witness is threatened with a loss of job. The witness makes the threat academic by quitting.

Additionally people close to (his lover) have an opportunity to see what are incriminating text messages between Marty and (his lover).

The above is said to be signed by multiple witnesses. I have copies, and have made a digest of them so as to draw minimal attention to specific persons. The names of all are contained in the originals.

The following is from a single witness:

Marty was observed with (his lover) after his denial on January 24th, 2009. They were in a van on a dead end country road February 13th, in the back seat, "in flagrante delicto," or "in the blazing progressing offense." Not much is left to the imagination in such settings, if witnessed, (speaking the from experience of coming upon such entangled "lovers" while exiting the woods on horseback).

Undaunted the two incautious lovers were observed again two weeks later by the same individual, on a backstreet in town, apparently at it again on February 27th.

Additionally there was a Church Split at "Fords Bush Bible Church" in the rough time frame of 2004. The strongly rumored cause of the split? An affair of Pastor Marty Braemer.

UPDATE: This post has become the subject of more discussion at the FFF. For those that read this post, first and foremost, Marty is still covering up but in a way that acknowledges something went massively wrong. He is not denying the affair. It would still seem that he is trying to manage the damage so that he exposes himself to the least amount of accountability. That is an opinion of mine, it is backed up by this conversation alleged to have occurred between Marty and the poster "Stephen."
"Marty already told me on the phone he had a 'moral failure.' I don't think he will be denying the affair."
It should be emphasized that this is an eyewitness to a conversation had between him, and the sinner himself. Marty is acknowledging to multiple sources that he sinned in some way. The only real question is how he sinned and there seems to be little doubt that he sinned.

In examining this sin, we can eliminate the little ones. I won't get into a complex discussion "Venial" and "Mortal" sins. The fact is that successful church building pastors don't get dumped because of what most consider to be minor sins, they get dumped for stealing money or having sex with someone they shouldn't have sex with. It's as simple as that.

There has not been one breath of a rumor to substantiate any claim, nor has there been a claim that Marty had his hand in the purse. You can say what you want, but that leaves only one likely offense. One that has an increasing chorus of corroborating witnesses who say they've heard exactly the same thing. This is the witness rule of the Old Testament for condemnation. Agreeing testimony from different sources.

It has also been asked by some if "I pray as much as I talk." The answer is no. I talk more. I prayed first. I pray still. I don't pray any longer that what is rumored without contradiction is false since that seems a vain hope, but I pray that those damaged, innocent and guilty, heal. That cannot start unless Marty is flushed into the open, stripped of his hesitation to confess, and shown his sin, in public. He is an Elder. This is PRECISELY how sin among elders is to be handled, according to scripture.

Those of you who plead that Marty should be spared so his family should be spared, or (his lover) spared so her family can be spared are saying God didn't really mean what he said, when he said that Elders should be disciplined publicly, so that other might SEE, and FEAR.

UPDATED AGAIN: Poster "Stephen" now says that the "moral failing" has been identified by Marty Braemer, as an "affair."
"Marty already told me he stepped down because he had an affair. that's a fact, Jack."
This post has been edited to remove the name of the Rev. Braemer's adulterous lover. She is no longer the evidence of his adultery, as he has confessed.
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Wednesday, July 29, 2009

The Confession of Marty Braemer, It's Adultery (UPDATED AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN...)

Honestly, I have wrestled with this, but am done with it, (sadly no, see the above).
The former Pastor of Fords Bush Bible Church has been linked to an elementary school teacher (teacher/librarian?) at the school he founded.

During my back and forth debates with the Rev. Braemer at the "Fighting Fundamentalist Forums," I extracted an admission of past "fornication" with a girl when he was a much younger man, probably in High School. I sent Marty an email yesterday, he is responding, but he will (did) not (initially) address this:
"(Name removed) is your rumored liaison. Please confirm or deny or I will research and publish. You've abandoned a woman before Marty, don't hide behind this one."
Marty was as visibly distressed by the claim on my part that he had abandoned a woman as one can possibly be in an internet forum, where all you have is typeset to convey feelings. He essentially begged me to stop saying that and did confirm his sexual indiscretion as a young man. Marty replied to me today at 2:10 PM
"I was not aware you were a member of the Fords Bush Bible Church. Those that need to know the details of this situation (family, board members, staff, pastoral council, church members) do. I have resigned."
We all sin and I do too. Deep and accurate investigation into my past will reveal some very untidy bits, not the least of which have to do with my divorce. Though an advocate of polygyny, I am not a "cheater" even in a monogamists way of looking at things, either in my first marriage, or in this one. I do not wish to convey the picture that I don't fail, or won't fail again.

Marty is now accused of gross hypocrisy and appears to be hiding his sin, for which he may have been stoned to death in Old Testament times. It would appear that (his lover) is married. I was excoriated by Marty for my beliefs on marriage and I returned fire accusing him of "probably having as many or more women as sex partners" than I have had. I based this only on probability and said so. It turned out he had two women, at least, his wife, and his past indiscretion. Marty has now it seems, slept with more women in his life than I have. Apparently as many in this last year as I have in my life. He's married only one of them.

Marty's last comment to me when told him I ran with the story:
"Outing on information already known. Ooookay..."
So he admits it. So far as I know only one blogger had the story and outted him, that was me. "Upstream," a blogger (now defunct) I followed, had some background. Dan based his knowledge of the participants on that which was published in this blog. Another blog following the story, Conservative Babylon, hasn't updated their story and hasn't named adultery as the issue, much less who was involved. They mention what I have as a suspicion, though a small one, that this could be a congregation flooding gimmick. My background information though says no. There are some details I will not mention as those details would reveal and hurt innocent bystanders.

Christian School Confidential continues to follow the story but the partner in Marty's adultery was broken here. I knew (his lover's) name yesterday and held back out of concern for Marty and his possible innocent bystander librarian who could have become collateral damage.

The Fighting Fundamental Forum (from which I was banned) has started a thread on this post which refers to the FFF. So now a feedback loop of the most perversely interesting kind has begun.

MORE UPDATES: I am beginning to get contacts from people who are distressed by the publicity. They only confirm in oblique or more direct ways that the liaison between Marty and (his lover) did indeed take place. I would remind them who Marty is, and what scripture says about elders who fall. 1st Timothy 5:19&20:
"Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear."
Another fascinating development. Marty has a functioning "Blogger" account, and of course, a blog to go with it. He's neglected it for three years. I don't know if he can still access it. Nevertheless, he has made several posts there, including one about Bob Gray called "Accountability." You can go there and comment on that post, and ask Marty. Marty may never see those posts at "Pastor Marty's Pulpit," unless he is alerted by a friend. It has a strange surreal quality it. A deserted pulpit.
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Tuesday, July 28, 2009

The Resignation of Pastor Marty Braemer (UPDATED)

The rumors floating about (undenied) from several sources (though only through one web site) that Pastor Marty Braemer has resigned from Fords Bush Bible Church (need updated link) (Fort Plain, NY) are confirmed, by Marty himself.
Marty Braemer was one of the many people who rather sternly took me to task in "not so nice" debate form at the Fighting Fundamentalist Forum, a forum that not surprisingly I do frequent any longer.

Marty has/had a blog that he last posted at quite some time ago. I posted there asking him to confirm the rumor. I called his church (disconnected) and emailed him as well to discover the reason for the resignation. He now says he'll tell us this coming Sunday. Oh well, it's not like he's Sarah Palin.

Other bloggers are now noticing that Marty has resigned. None of us as of yet know why. As for why I am interested, I'll tell you if the rumored reason is true. Conservative Babylon has chimed in, in detail, and has been restrained in it's analysis. The author mentions the search terms that are generating hits on the blog.

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