Thomas Jefferson LIVES in Ron Paul? Really?

Ron Paul has a plethora of quotes on his site from Thomas Jefferson.

"Presidential Historian" and author Doug Weed says something to the effect that Thomas is reincarnated in Ron Paul. A discussion has been going on in a Facebook forum where it is asserted that when Ron Paul becomes President, our marriage issues will be essentially resolved. This relies on the same error that elects most bad Presidents, and the one that elected (in part), Barack Obama. It is that a President DOES have that much power (God save us), or that he will should have that much power. If a President is fulfilling his role as President, he shouldn't matter that much. He's important, but shouldn't matter that much. Thus when the time comes, I can vote for a Mitt Romney, or a John McCain, and do so happily. I seek to solve the nations ills on the level of Ron Paul's CURRENT office, that of Congressman. Elect another 300 Ron Paul types and fill the Senate with them too, and Barack's job is a desk job. I happily inveigh for the guy I want in the Presidency, and then go to the polling booth and try to build a more libertarian state, in the houses of Congress. My problem with Pauliacs and Paulie-Annas is that they think he will fix things as President. About the most that a President can do in a short period of time is mess things up. I contend Barack has done this, and that Ron Paul, if successful in any of his plans, would do more of the same. His solutions sound like lopping off limbs without anesthesia. The shock may well kill us. You have to go slowly so as not to capsize the ship of state. Phasing out bad programs over 5 years seems much more reasonable to me that trying to revamp them overnight. Pauliacs also forget (as he conveniently does) that Thomas Jefferson was the author of one of our Barbary wars. The first one. The Marine hymn intones "to the shores of Tripoli" for this reason. It's best to see what the founders DID with their ideas. It tells us more accurately what they really meant. A war. Halfway around the world. With Muslims. How George Bush I & II. I have concluded that Ron Paul has found out that running for President is a really good job, but he's got people believing his junk to the point that they may hand the election to the wrong guy. The really wrong guy. The Stones once said that politics was a "choice between Cancer and Polio." Few wiser things have been said. As I have said elsewhere, vote your conscience in the primaries, but vote defensively in the General Election. We can't let the wrong lizard get in (thanks Douglas Adams). Barack Obama is the Wrong Lizard. I'll vote for Romney because Romney isn't the Wrong Lizard. I'll vote as conservatively and as libertarian as I can in the Congressional elections in my state. I'll pray for the best. Why say this now? A large number of my Christian Polygynist friends insist on voting for Ron Paul, and in many cases, no one, if they can't vote for Dr. Paul. One friend went so far as to say he thinks it's all going to burn anyway, so the sooner the better. I ally more with King Hezekiah with peace and truth in his time. It's good that disaster comes tomorrow, far into the future, when we are gone. I've no desire to see the world burn in my time, or that of my children. If my children don't want it to burn for their children or in their time, they should see to it themselves, I will be gone. A vote for Ron or for no one in November is a vote for Barack Obama and destruction. I will not in a prissy way, declare that i won't vote for a man I essentially despise (Mitt Romney) to prove I don't like the choices given to me. A choice is a choice. If you don't make it, you really have made it. Be proactive. Do your best. Smile with me in November and vote for Mitt enthusiastically. Do your best to send him a congress with ideas like yours. Mitt's a capable administrator. That REALLY is the job of President. The discussion also included a Pollyanna view of how marriage laws would be made to change. Sorta a wand gets waived and it's done. No. Two things stand in the way of marriage laws being changed to be less intrusive. Marriage is a province of the State as long as there are income taxes, and statutory rape laws. In the first case, the Government wants to know your family classification so that they can assess your place in a progressive tax structure. "Progressive" is a nice way of saying "Tax the OTHER guy." Get rid of income taxes and you kick one strut out of the necessity of having legally registered marriages, which I despise more so than I do Mitt Romney. Child Rape laws raise a lot of dust in the discussion. Again, like with taxes, to make the laws work, people need to be classified. We forget easily that the Government doesn't really care if children are having sex, they only care if they have sex with adults without the proper papers. Marriage papers. There's no way out of legal registration of marriage if you allow sub 18 year old people to marry, and all states do. Ron Paul won't fix marriage. Ron Paul is a charlatan. Ron Paul is sucking away votes and we have a lot to do before marriage is in a more ideal state than it is today. Until then, vote for the least wrong lizard, and work for legalization of plural marriage. That's all I can offer. I can't offer Ron to you as a solution. He's not.

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The Second Bride

Suffice it to say having a second bride is very different from having one bride. Recently I received an overture to take a second bride and quick examination of the circumstance told me the answer was "no."

From all indications she was an excellent choice that I would have gladly embraced. It would have been wrong and nearly impossible for me to undertake her as a second bride. I sought instead another man for her. It seems she found that man. I rejoice for her and for him. More →

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On Contemplating Polygyny FOR REAL

Recently, and unexpectedly, my wife gave me a set of conditions under which she would allow me to be polygynous. Let me set the stage for you.

I met and took my present wife while married to another woman. At that time my first wife and I were estranged, which was the choice of my first wife. The estrangement took place, then my second wife and I married. A year later a civil divorce took place that I did not recognize. If you want to discuss this, please comment on the post. In April of 2000 or 2001, I'll have to look at my records, I sent what I call a "bill of divorcement" to my first wife when I discovered she was living with another man and quite understandably calling him her husband. I ceased to be an active polygynist at that point. For the last 7 or 8 years I have been monogamous.

My second wife married me knowing I regarded my marriage as valid until my first offended me in the real way required by divorce law, that being adultery. We continued on that way until I had proof of that adultery. My second wife (now my only one) had received from me a personal commitment to be monogamous. I love her very much, thus I was willing to do this, even though I clearly believed polygyny to be righteous. We have often discussed changing that, it is her option, as I promised her. That changed a bit recently. She has often said I could take another wife as long as I was willing to not be with her, which I have always said, would never do. It is not for lack of love for my wife that I would ever contemplate active polygyny again.

The scenario under which I would contemplate it is adequate provision for my second, and now ONLY wife. I believe that wives should be housed separately. I could be wrong about that, but it's what I believe based on my study of scripture. Essentially my wife agreed that if she had a separate house, we could continue to be together, simply not under the same roof with a second wife. Coolio. That clears the path of the largest obstacle. There are now OTHER, very large obstacles.

One. I am 54. I am still a viable kinda guy, but I'm not 25. The implications of that are many. Suffice it to say that I can still BE a husband to a wife, perhaps several, but the beauties of being older are also the perils of being older. The beauty is I could get an overt overture such as Boaz got from Ruth and walk away from it. The peril is that as a husband, I am much closer to the day where I might HAVE to walk away from it. I have a duty to all wives.

Two. I made the error of getting a certain surgery. Children are one of the greatest of purposes of marriage, to enter one knowing I could produce no offspring, is a bad idea. Reversal of such surgeries is very possible, but also very expensive.

Three. The aforementioned housing arrangement. What I own now is a RV. I would not ask any woman to live in one as a wife. I ask my present wife to do so, because it is our only alternative. Thus I must get TWO houses, not one. Nothing spectacular mind you, but that is what I must do.

Four. I believe I must not require a wife to work outside the home to make polygyny work as an ongoing requirement. Thus I must be ideally, in business for myself. I'm not. It is not that I would not ask a wife to work outside the home if made necessary by future economic situations, but I shouldn't ENTER a marriage with the idea that she has to work outside the home to make the polygyny viable. Perhaps as a sort of DOWRY I might do so, but the idea would be that if she became my wife, once there were children, that she could CEASE to work outside the home. The standard is at least, "work optional" when it comes to a wage earning "outside the home" job.

Based on that really tenuous possibility of plural marriage I let it be ever so slightly known, that I MIGHT be available, sometime, maybe not soon. It was like fishing for the first time and putting string and a bent needle on a stick and dropping it in an irrigation ditch. What surprised me is I got a strike SO HARD that I'm getting pulled nearly into the water. If you've ever seen the movie "The Return of the King" in the "Lord of the Rings" series, imagine that I am "Deagol," I just haven't gotten dunked. Yet.

With the clear understanding that "nothing is impossible with the LORD" though, the situation is pretty impossible. The young lady qualifies for marriage, and after examination, has MANY Godly qualities and is, as far as can be determined to this point, a wonderful choice. The list of obstacles includes the above list, and special considerations.

She is a foreigner. Yes, I understand this would possibly be the sole motivation for marrying a crusty old pile of junk. Let's set that aside and assume I've cleared that out of the way to everyone's satisfaction. The practical consideration is that I cannot marry her legally, to get her into the country. She'd have to get here on her own. If she gained citizenship, well and good, if not (green card only) I could assist her, assuming successful outcome of surgery, by making a mother out of her.

She WAS Muslim. She is now Christian. This represents a real danger to her. Again, I am aware of certain "obvious" problems. Assume that I am not being conned and know how to determine that to my satisfaction. I also believe in parental permission in the case of never married women. You can guess what kind of problem THAT represents. The real danger is that of "honor killing." The lesser practical danger is "like HECK MY DAUGHTER marries an infidel." You see, no permission is a bit of a problem.

What it boils down to is that in my mind, I've been occupied with considerations that have little to do with the sexual, except for the very technical side of that question. In contemplating a polygyny I have to overcome a number of obstacles that have MONEY written all over them. I am at present a poor man. Thus it requires a bit of a miracle. Short of someone LENDING me about a million dollars, I'm not capable. This is a serious speculation by the way. The money would be used to purchase a business, thus providing the context for a Polygyny. I've studied the retail business in question. It pencils. I just can't get conventional financing for it, so I've had to table it. I might not need THAT much money, but I would need something along those lines, or perhaps quite a bit less.

I'm going back to work Monday, if not then, a little later. That's the good news. The bad news is I won't be earning a net of several hundred thousand dollars if past experience is any indicator. The particular young lady's need of a husband is very real. At this point I would be happy to FIND for her, another man who COULD address her needs immediately. I would be a little wistful at loosing the opportunity myself, but my concerns for her, are greater than my own desire. I truly wish to see her safe and secure, and if that involved ME being a husband to her, well and good, very good as a matter of fact. If that involved a good man finding her and meeting her needs, that's what real love is all about, seeking the good of the other, not seeking your own good.

At this point my greatest concern is for that of my new found friend. I would TRULY love to be part of the solution, but that would be a true miracle. I'm not used to such miracles in life. I tend to get exactly the opposite. Every time my hopes are raised for any life goal, they have been shot down. If the past is any indication I'll only get all dressed up, and have nowhere to go. Nevertheless, God can provide if this is his desire. If it is not, I'll continue to dress for the occasion and keep my lamp as well supplied as I can make it.

To sum up. In becoming a polygynist again, what I have found is that the concerns are primarily practical. I have evaluated the young lady in question and will continue to do so and my concerns are that she be a GODLY young woman. Most of our conversations are discussions of scripture, she is reading the scriptures furiously. I am trying to be a good guide to her as a brother in Christ, not a prospective lover. I look for GODLY qualities in a believing sister.

It's an ECONOMIC consideration, to the max. In trying to take care of both wives, my considerations are entirely for their well being. If I can't take care of the first, I should not undertake the second. If I can only take care of the first, I should never take the second. Despite the first item on my list above, believe it or not, I don't spend my time thinking about the SEXUAL side of it. I have devoted a little thought to it, but it's hard to sustain that line of thinking. My thoughts primarily turn to making a place for everyone concerned. Who will live where. HOW do I make them happy, what do they NEED? As almost an afterthought there is the business about the physical side of marriage. So whether or not anything came of this opportunity for me, I offer this as an example of what goes through THIS man's mind. Believe me, it is LOVE in ACTION, not sex, despite what you might think. Since it is LOVE, not sex that dominates my thinking, I would actually give up this candidate to another man, if she would have him, if all I could do would be to find that man. That last comment is for those who think I am some sort of "dirty old man." Now you are free to suggest I am a pimp. You can never win. More →

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