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"Paul Murphy, a spokesman in the Utah Attorney General’s Office, said Utah has not yet decided whether to seek a new trial — and that officials there probably won’t make the call until after he’s prosecuted in Texas."Warren is saying, "Make the Call Paul."
The Salt Lake Tribune - "The hearing will be Aug. 23 at 9 a.m. before 5th District Judge James Shumate. A court spokeswoman said attorneys in the case requested the scheduling change."It's still less than a month from the day the New Trial was ordered. That's pretty speedy.
"On July 29, 2010 at 7:03 pm Stamp said:I dunno, maybe Blues is Krak, and I got under his skin. Thanks to Al for helping me with a nick name for Krakauer. It's so OBVIOUS. He acts like he's on it.
I dont think Krakauer would have brought the existence of such a tape up on National TV if it didnt indeed exist.
So, seeing that the location, and intent was there (the “marriage” to the little girl, I tend to think its highly probable it exists.
And while it likely wont make it out for the public to see, I think that someday Warren will be sitting in a courtroom while its played to a jury.
On July 29, 2010 at 9:18 pm Hugh McBryde said:
Stamp, it’s been 48 hours and no one has stepped up to back up Krak.
If Krak saw the transcript and/or listened to the tape, he ain’t the first one and only one to see it.
That means a lot of other people saw it, and like Arizona and Utah with their “Sarah” calls, they didn’t believe it, only Krak seems to have believed it. Krak doesn’t occupy some gigantic special privilege special looky lou position in the Anti FLDS universe.
Your crowd doesn’t believe it so much either, the best reaction seeming to be “let’s wait and see.”
If there had been an immediate rush to substantiate Krak’s contention I’d have been a little worried, but he’s been out there all alone. And as long as you stay anonymous, you don’t count.
On July 29, 2010 at 10:46 pm txbluesman said:
Hugh is banned.
On July 29, 2010 at 11:24 pm deci said:
Aw shucks! Why are you banning Hugh?
Remember the childhood rhyme:
Sticks and stones may break my bones
but words will never hurt!
On July 29, 2010 at 11:27 pm Hugh McBryde said:
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The more I think about it, the more I think “The Tape” or “The Transcript,’ exists. If so, the likelihood that it/they were in the possession of authorities prior to the raid is very high. This is the reason that Jonny knows about it. It was probably brought to him by his bagman Sammy Shamus.I've held my tongue too many times before (believe it or not) and watched events pass me by. For instance, I knew that the Supremes were going to spring Warren before they did. If "Blogger" keeps original time stamps recorded somewhere, an examination of my Dashboard would tell you that's true. The above goes out on a limb, and if I find the time I'll piece together all the disparate circumstantial evidence that matches the pattern of the search and behavior of LE at YFZ during the raid and what was said about the raid before during and right after it. I can still remember Bill O'Reilly ranting about the "sex bed."
Examine the pattern of the raid and what they were looking for and what they were so sure they (Texas) would find. The belief in the “informant” (there would have to be such an informant to have “The Tape/Transcript”) seemed righteous to me. What I mean by righteous is it seemed to me Doran really believed it.
Subsequently on the news we heard ravings about the “sex bed” and so on. The Ranch was searched looking for pictures of Jeffs’ 12 year old bride and looking for the things described on “The Tape/Transcript” that Jonny describes. The media coverage fit a template leading up to the “discovery” of such a “Tape.”
So I have no doubt “The Tape” and/or “The Transcript” exists. What I doubt is that they found it at YFZ. All sorts of rumors have been floated about “The Tape” and “The Transcript” in the day and a half since it’s disclosure by Jonny on AC, but I’m telling you, if Texas had it, Texas would have had Warren a long time ago.
If there is corruption as Toobin and Krakauer suggest in the court system, it would be because “The Tape” IS genuine and was discovered recently and this was told to Conn and the Supremes in Utah, and they paved the way to turn Warren over to Texas.
I wouldn’t listen to the news again for 20 years after that, it’s going to be X-Rated Child Porn. You couldn’t watch ABC’s “Wide World of Sports” for 30 years without seeing that guy crack up on the ski ramp. You can’t talk about Nixon without Watergate and we won’t be able to hear about polygamy without “hearing every grunt.”
"The Polygamy File:One of my first reactions is this opens a whole "chain of evidence" issue. Jon Krakauer is a filmmaker. Filmmakers are expert at making the unreal, seem as if it happened.
KRAKAUER: Right. The one — the one silver lining in this is if Texas — if Utah decides not to retry Warren, he will be more quickly extradited to Texas, where he faces very serious charges, much more serious, not as an accomplice to rape but an actual rapist.
And the evidence, in the raid of 2008, they uncovered a treasure trove of evidence, including a tape recording and a transcript of Warren raping a 12-year-old girl. Actually, she had been 11 until 24 days earlier.
She had been forced to marry Jeffs. She was raped in the temple on a special bed. Two of Jeffs’s older wives participated in the rape. It was tape recorded. Every grunt and perverted prayer and command to this girl.
And that, and a lot of other evidence is likely to convict Warren, put him behind bars for life — for four life terms, I think, to face the charges.
TOOBIN: Texas and Utah now have to sort out what’s going to happen. It seems likely to me that this decision will scotch this case. This girl — [Elissa] will no longer have to testify. They’ll just move the whole operation to Texas and bring those more serious charges there. But –
COOPER: Do you think politics played a role in this, in Utah?
TOOBIN: You know what? I don’t know. I mean, I just don’t know enough about the Utah Supreme Court.
But, you know, this is a very unusual ground to overturn a conviction. Jury — jury instructions have to be correct, but judges usually, you know, give trial judges a certain amount of latitude here.
TOOBIN: And given the magnitude of these charges and given the fact that these jury instructions didn’t even relate to the core issue in the case, I am bewildered by this decision. And it certainly bears looking into, whether there is some political connection between these judges."
The Salt Lake Tribune - "Defense attorney Walter F. Bugden filed the request on Tuesday, hours after the Utah Supreme Court reversed Jeffs’ conviction and sent the case back for a new trial. The high court said Jeffs was denied a fair hearing because of faulty instructions given to jurors.The FLDS strategy is to get the trial business done and over with in Utah prior to going to Texas or maybe even getting Warren out of jail (if only for a bit) while awaiting trial in Texas. Figure at some point in here there will be a bail hearing for Warren in Utah. I don't know what event comes first. Just figure it's possible that Warren could walk the streets, at least for a little bit, before meeting the witch in Texas.
Bugden said that Jeffs has been 'incarcerated for many months' and has the right to have the case reheard as quickly as possible.
Judge James Shumate, who presided over Jeffs’ first trial, on Wednesday set a hearing on a retrial for 9 a.m. in St. George."
On July 27, 2010 at 10:16 pm Ron in Houston said:Ronald D. "Ron" Hunter. Texas Bar Card Number 10301760. Remember, he said it first.
Just because you now know my full name doesn’t make you some wise person.
You’ve always been and still are a major league dumb ass.
Yeah, my name is Ron Hunter and I’m an attorney in Houston, Texas.
My next job is to track your sorry fucking ass down and forward to anyone who has any interaction with your sorry fucking ass your desire to fuck 7 year old girls as part of your religion.
Guess what dickhead? I’ll have a whole lot of support to do this.
Want to play anymore?
Hugh: I am evil.
But I am redeemed and being redeemed.
Fuck no – evil never changes
me: Gee, we all have evil in us
Hugh: No, I’m evil.
Gee, apparently yes!!!!
Hugh: Like I was there….wait…I was.
2:30 PM Well, I’m a loser Ron. It’s lost it’s sting. Think about that.
Well, it may have lost it’s sting to you in your mind, but in the court of public opinion your still a major league fucking loser.
Hugh: Right. Keep that in mind. Plus my ethic is to keep the law. There is no compulsion for me to take girls as sex partners.
And it’s against the law.
If I am not married to them.
Oh, really? How about your comment that their 14 to 15 year old vagina won’t know that you’re dick is over 50 years old?
Want to comment on that pervert?
Really, it’s past time for Blues to ban you. You’re a sick fucking twisted pervert.
On July 27, 2010 at 10:44 pm Hugh McBryde said:
Gee Ron, losing our religion are we?
On July 27, 2010 at 10:21 pm Ron in Houston said:
Nonestly Hugh, at this point I don’t give a shit. If it costs me $10,000 in my time to track your sorry ass down and force you to give me your broken down sorry assed RV down, then let’s go.
Hi everyone, I’m Ron Hunter from Houston, Texas. Will you help me find and track down Hugh McBryde formerly of Vermont? If so please contact firstname.lastname@example.org.
If you help, I promise at the least to send you my gratitude.
On July 27, 2010 at 10:42 pm The Lone Rider said:
Temper Temper now Ron. We all understand that you are having a bad day thanks to to the Utah Supreme Court but Hugh is more than justified in rubbing your noses in it.
On July 27, 2010 at 10:47 pm Hugh McBryde said:
Ron, please, you can’t bust a loser. It’s been done. Bring it on you sorry ambulance chaser.
On July 27, 2010 at 10:45 pm deci said:
Can everyone just shut the fuck up! Yes Ron, Hugh shouldn’t have posted that photo of you but jeez…calm down. You have to have known that outing was a possibility.
On July 27, 2010 at 10:59 pm Hugh McBryde said:
Why shouldn’t I have posted the photo of Ron? I actually did NOT “post” it, I opened a window in my blog, to HIS blog, and HE posted it.
What is this insanity that says you can go out and pick fights and hide, and are entitled to your privacy? You’re NOT. You go out and pick fights and as long as I don’t break any laws looking for you (such as hacking email addresses, blah, blah, blah) you’re FAIR GAME.
Now Baby Ron is having a HISSY fit and wagging his Lawyerness at me. What a TRIP. Ron, you pick on everyone from behind a shield of anonymity and you’re entitled to only as much of it as you can keep through skill. There is no legal entitlement to privacy when you go PUBLISH and use other people’s names and run them down publicly. NONE. NONE WHATSOEVER.
Like I said, don’t try to intimidate a loser. I’ve lost already. I don’t like being a loser, but I’m familiar with the territory. That’s half the battle. It’s not the unknown and I don’t fear it as much.
The Atlanta Journal Constitution - "Jeffs had been scheduled to appear in Utah's 3rd District Court on Tuesday so a judge could ask him to sign a warrant seeking his extradition to Texas, but the hearing was canceled after the Supreme Court's ruling."The Atlanta paper's article is the best one so far, that I have found, in terms of being complete.
The Polygamy File - "The decision is going to make it very difficult to retry, based on the same theory of accomplice liability, based on a position of special trust. So, we will leave our options open as far as whether we retry the case or whether we go over to the Legislature and seek some type of legislative change for future cases."Interpretation? I'm not admitting in front of all you folks that the case is dead, but it's dead.
The Daily Record - "Only after there is a determination that an offense has been committed can the law impose liability on another party who ' "solicited, request, commanded, encouraged or intentionally aided" in the commission of that offense,' the court's opinion states.In their UNANIMOUS decision, the Supreme Court Rejects your patent idiocy. It wasn't a majority you pathetic idiot.
Steed was charged with rape the day after Jeffs' September 2007 conviction, but the case has languished and it's unclear how it might now proceed."
CNN - "We regret the effect our opinion today may have on the victim of the underlying crime, to whom we do not wish to cause additional pain," the court said. "However, we must ensure that the laws are applied evenly and appropriately, in this case as in every case."After getting it spectacularly right, under extreme pressure to do the expedient in the Political Arena, the Utah Supreme court gets it just as spectacularly WRONG.
ABC4 - "Because we hold that the trial court’s instructions to the jury regarding lack of consent were in error, we reverse Jeffs’ two convictions of rape as an accomplice and remand for a new trial."The Utah Supreme Court Decision, was UNANIMOUS.
The Salt Lake Tribune - In its unanimous decision, the court said 5th District Judge James Shumate erred when he rejected an instruction requiring the jury to find Jeffs knew unwanted sex would take place and intended for a rape to occur."It wasn't even close. Read the Ruling at CNN.
|Dear FLDS: When you get pictures like this, you're losing.|
"Skilled professionals and mental health workers and mediators should be sent in to calm things down before more violence breaks out."Essentially your enemies have been maneuverering to get pictures of trauma and distress in the media with you (the FLDS) as the villians, and they've done it.
|This is "Then," the picture on the left, is "Now."|
"Beware of just paying the minimum payments on your debts. This will results in your overall debt actually growing and your problems will only become worse."Oh really?! While I was unemployed I went out and bought a big screen TV, instead of paying double payments on my credit cards.
"Beware of relying on friends and family as it could damage relationships with the most important people in your life."Yes, I didn't know that either. So you don't want me to do the following two things?
"Beware of unscrupulous credit counselors that demand cash upfront or high fees for help they promise, but don't deliver."No kidding, those are scams? You mean they advertise all the time everywhere with the money they don't make off my unfortunate circumstance?
"Avoid taking out a new high-interest loan to pay off lower interest rate loans. It may be easier to just have one payment but it will actually increase the amount you have to pay back."Really? That actually saved my butt once (ok three times), and yes, I paid it (them) off as fast as I could.
"Declaring bankruptcy when debt settlement may work for you..."This isn't half bad. It's called "Be your own Credit Counseling Service." Credit card companies often will take part of the pie and call it a day, usually with some attendant notation to your credit file that isn't positive, and lasts for 7 years. Oh wait though, that's just like Chapter 13 bankruptcy.
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The Daily Mail - "Police in New York are now trying to trace the phantom menace, who stuffed cash into a bag and disappeared."My wife is a Banker, so this is no laughing matter.
"An extradition hearing in the Warren Jeffs case has been set for July 27 at 1:30 pm @ the West Jordan Courthouse, Judge Terry Christiansen."Not wanting to spread rumors on something a week out, that wouldn't change in all likelyhood, I asked a source for confirmation. Now the rumor mill (which might be based on the same little snippet) is saying the same thing.
"Utah courts spokeswoman Nancy Volmer said Jeffs will be asked to sign the papers again at a July 27 hearing before 3rd District Judge Terry Christiansen. If Jeffs declines, Volmer said another hearing would likely be set."The more I read on "extradition," the more this looks like a case not of extradition, but "rendition."
Yahoo News/Associated Press - " 'We're a superpower — the United States,' New Orleans chef and sometime fishing guide Eric Schutzman said recently as he took a break from carving up a batch of black drum and redfish caught in an unclosed section of Black Bay. 'We put a man on the moon. You'd think we'd have enough brilliant minds to get it all cleaned up and get on with it.' "Yes, Eric Schutzman, and if I had a penny for every time that tired remark was made, maybe I'd pay to clean it up myself. Or go back to the moon.
"Cascade County sheriff’s officials say the body of Leroy Emack of Hildale, was recovered from an intake at Rainbow Dam on Monday morning. An employee with PPL Montana, which operates the dam, spotted the body.After about a week, the Missouri and the dam, gave up the dead, as they often do.
Emack was in Great Falls working a construction job at Malmstrom Air Force Base. He and two others entered the Missouri River in a 14-foot canoe on the evening of July 4. The canoe capsized. The other two people made it to shore, but the sheriff’s office says Emack drowned."
The Pharisee linked here saying, "Will Elissa Wall repeat herself and drop charges i ..."And I don't link that often, actually. The Polygamy File is not on my blogroll because she "Pisseth me off," but I dutifully link to items she posts and news she uncovers after a brief period of petulance where I didn't do that, merely mentioning instead where the material came from but not linking.
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The Great Falls Tribune - "A handful of trucks and trailers with Utah and Idaho license plates at the Rainbow Dam boat launch could indicate search efforts for a canoeist who has been missing since Sunday have resumed.Michael Emack is unable to be there to help.
A base is set up at the boat launch with an awning covering several men with handheld radios, cases of Gatorade and some snack foods.
Only one boat was visible between the Lewis and Clark Interpretive Center and the boat launch, and one of the vehicles with Utah plates had a boat trailer on the back of it.
Two unidentified men at the boat launch base were operating a non-motorized canoe, and a truck pulled up around 11:30 a.m. with a four-pronged pole which is typically used to drag the bottom of a waterway.
The individuals at the base declined to comment, except to say that further information would need to come from the Cascade County Sheriff’s Office.
Capt. Ray Hitchcock of the Cascade County Sheriff’s Office declined to comment except to say that the county is not involved in the search.
Sheriff David Castle said the friends or family have 'every right' to hire a private search team.
Cascade County Search and Rescue called off the search on Tuesday.
The missing canoeist, who has not yet been identified, is a 21-year-old Utah man who was working in Great Falls."
The Boston Globe - "A federal district court judge in Boston today struck down the 1996 federal law that defines marriage as a union exclusively between a man and a woman.Where does this leave the "enhancement clause" on which the super long sentences of FLDS members is based as well?
Judge Joseph L. Tauro ruled that the federal Defense of Marriage law violates the Constitutional right of married same-sex couples to equal protection under the law and upends the federal government’s long history of allowing states to set their own marriage laws."
The Miami Herald - "(JaMarcus Russell), former LSU star and the No. 1 draft choice in 2007 was arrested as part of an undercover narcotics investigation, said Mobile County Sheriff's spokeswoman Lori Myles. She would not say what led to his arrest. She said he did not have a prescription for the codeine.I get as sick of false charges of racism as the next white guy, but seriously; a drug arrest for codeine in the syrup form? I think that's just very powerful (but prescription) cough medicine.
Russell, who graduated from high school in Mobile, was booked into the city jail and released soon afterward on $2,500 bond, online records show."
"A federal appeals court Friday rejected a request from the court reporter in the corruption case of former Congressman William Jefferson for a one-year extension to produce the trial transcript required for the appeal to move forward.I guess it's who you know, and who you used to be. Raymond Jessop isn't a former US Congressman, William Jefferson is.
The court reporter, Michael Rodriquez, missed a March 23 deadline to produce the 6,500-page transcript from last summer's eight-week trial, and recently asked that he be given until May, 11, 2011, to produce the document.
'It is my strong belief that the extension of time requested would be sufficient to complete the transcripts requested in this case,' he wrote the court.
In a two-line order, the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Va., gave him until June 23 (UPDATE: As of 07/02/2010 the transcript is now filed for William Jefferson), warning of financial sanctions if he asks for more time.
'Further requests for extension and waiver will be viewed with disfavor by this court,' the court order said.
Jefferson, who turned 63 in March, remains free, pending resolution of the appeal of the guilty verdicts returned by a Virginia jury last August on 11 of the 16 counts charged by the Justice Department."