Showing posts with label Vermont Public Senate Judiciary Hearing. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Vermont Public Senate Judiciary Hearing. Show all posts

Saturday, March 21, 2009

Further Testimony on Vermont's "Right to Marry"



The Reformation is officially a less than 500 year old movement. The representation of "Historic Christianity" as being a monogamous tradtion, or even supposing to go back before that into Judaism denies the existence of Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne, the practice of polygyny among Anabaptists during the reformation and the practice of it by protestant hymn writers like Martin Madan.


Dr. Selle, purporting to represent the "growing" evangelical protestant movement in Vermont, offers the following:
"Marriage is a public legal lifelong commitment between a man and a woman, that's the historic Christian and the Evangelical Protestant view. The Government (this is the point), the Government has the important task to protect and defend and foster marriage."
I disagree, the government should perhaps be in the business of defending it, but it would best defend it by simply viewing marriage as a contract and making the least number of regulations with regard to it, leaving us free to contract ourselves for marriage. The government does not inspect contracts, unless they fail. When you get your car repossessed, arguably something that may do more damage to you socially than a divorce, the government does not get involved, most of the time. The bank shows up with your contract, declares that you are in default, cites it's remedies, and takes your car. Only if they seek a judgment to recover deficiency does the issue show up in court. Marriage should be this way as well. So should the unfortunate occurrence of divorce. There are plenty of contracts that are executed, completed and resolved without the involvement of the courts. The courts are not necessary.
"It is the fundamental building block of all societies and cultures. Since the reformation, the government has been seen as such a protector, and therefore we would not accept as a legitimate compromise, a state marriage as a generic genderless civil act which then churches and religious people can tack on tack on their own little religious ceremonies as an add on, that simply will not cut it with this constituency."
I in fact would love to see a generic relationship contract where we could in fact tack on our own little religious ceremonies or addendums.

Marriage in the Bible is not a religious ceremony. It is not a sacrament. A religious ceremony is certainly not ruled out, but it's not required and there is no example of it in scripture nor is there a suggestion there should be such a ceremony.

Marriage in the Bible is never said to be a civil act either. Again, there is no example of such an occurrence, nor is there a suggestion that there should be such a civil oversight function.

Marriage in the scriptures are acts engaged in by private parties. The only public thing about them is that everyone tends to know there is a marriage. The only legal writ associated with a marriage in the Bible is the act of it's dissolution, divorce. That is the only event connected to marriage said to be in writing. A writ of divorcement essentially became a woman's license to act on her own, having been set aside by her husband.
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Friday, March 20, 2009

A word about "Gay Marriage" blogroll additions

You may notice I have added (for the time being), a few blogs about Vermont Marriage Legislation, and some are from the Gay/Lesbian/Homosexual perspective.


It should be noted that in attempting to find sources of information on the topic, they're the only place to go. Vermont Freedom to Marry keeps an excellent archive of Vermont hearings and public comment. I haven't found anyone else doing so. They're offered by the pro "gay marriage" site without comment, which is to their credit. Of course, it's easy to be above the fray in appearance, when you're winning the legislative war.

It is my intention to remove most of such pro "gay marriage" sites from the blogroll when the issue is passed or fails, until it perhaps, comes up again. The number of exceedingly vile sites that came up when I researched the topic was surprising even for me. I of course, did not link to them.

Hopefully the readership of the Modern Pharisee will take the information at face value and appreciate the fact that I already did a little research, and kept you away from opinions that while relevant, are perhaps too extreme for the Christian sensibility.

Statistically, it is my understanding that gay men represent a greater portion of the entire homosexual community than do lesbians. It then becomes interesting that the majority of testimony on the homosexual side of public comment, is coming from "Lesbian Partners" and advocates of "gay marriage." That then asks the question of whether or not the gay male side of the issue isn't so presentable, for the camera, or suggests that we are more accepting of Lesbians, than gay men.

Such legislation is of interest, because it is a legal precursor to legalized polygyny and polygamy. I do not see the issues as morally connected, but they are legally connected.
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Thursday, March 19, 2009

Sue Sweeney asks, "Which Tradition?" "The Old Testament Tradition?"



Is it the New Testament Tradition Sue asks, or the Old where a man could have as many wives as he wanted?
Which gets right to the heart of it. If, she is asking between the lines, we can redefine marriage to be ONLY one man and ONLY one woman from one man and however many women, can't we do that again?
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Vermont Gay Marriage, What's next? POLYGAMY?

I believe this reveals that our greatest concern in the churches, is not "Gay Marriage," but polygamy (polygyny). We would rather have homosexuals in our pews as "couples" than polygynists as heterosexuals.


Why do I say this? At least two people testifying here, one of whom I know, state; WHAT'S NEXT? POLYGAMY? and then go on to lump it with child sex and beastiality.

By ordering their words in this way they reveal that what worries them is Gay Marriage, but what worries them more? Polygamy.
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