Showing posts with label Vermont Freedom to Marry. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Vermont Freedom to Marry. Show all posts

Wednesday, September 02, 2009

A Warning about "Casting your Pearls before Swine." (LANGUAGE ALERT)

Do not, I repeat DO NOT "Press Play" unless you wish to hear common barnyard euphemisms. The language is not too terribly strong, there are references to what you find in a pasture. Unfortunately for these misguided brothers and sisters in Christ, this guy is riotously funny.



This demonstrates the total futility of approaching the unsaved and unregenerate on specific issues of morality. If I were KING, practicing advocating homosexuals would not be allowed to live, but neither would marriage breaking adulterers be allowed to live. That would be those women who are married, and engage in sex with men not their husbands, and those with whom they do this.

I say this to emphasize that I think homosexuality and adultery are grave wrongs.

I emphasize even more that I am not King, nor do I expect anyone of my persuasion to be MADE King.

Jesus Christ:
"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."
Saul of Tarsus AKA The Apostle Paul:
"For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person."
Go home Westboro. Seek ye first the Kingdom of God. Our Kingdom is not of this world. More video, containing exchanges with Westboro's rather rebellious women, and the public, here.
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Friday, April 03, 2009

Iowa Goes Gay, Douglas will veto in Vermont.

While Vermont is going about it the legislative way, Iowa jumps around the voters, and does it through the courts.
CNN - "Iowa will become the third state in the nation to allow same-sex marriage, after Massachusetts and Connecticut.

Not everyone was pleased.

'It's, quite frankly, a disaster,' said Brian English, a spokesman for the Iowa Family Policy Center, a nonprofit research and educational organization committed to strengthening the family.

'Obviously, we're extremely disappointed,' he said. 'We're saddened. Perhaps a little bit surprised in the unanimous decision that the court handed down.'

English, who said opponents of gay marriage prayed outside the courthouse Friday as they awaited the court's decision, already has begun lobbying the legislature for an Iowa Marriage Amendment.

'It (the proposed amendment) will be very brief. It will reaffirm in the state constitution that marriage is the union of one man and one woman,' he said. 'We're beginning the next step in the process.'

A spokesman for One Iowa, which supports gay and lesbian equality, said the earliest the issue could get on a ballot would be 2012."
That's along way off and quite a few people will doubtless "marry" in Iowa, making it the heartland's first to attempt to redefine marriage through the courts. Yet we continue to persecute polygynists. Just as we have no stomach for protracted war, for whatever the cause, the American voter has no stomach for fighting Gay "Marriage." Eventually the fact that their lives don't change much in the short term will lead the myopic electorate to say that it doesn't affect them, so it doesn't matter, and shut the religious right up by passing a law, or not passing their amendment. Oh, the inevitability of decay.

Meanwhile in Vermont, the house has fallen (so far) five votes short of being able to override a Governor Douglas veto. It's all so much theatre though. Just as the Senate intially seemed to resist cloture and stopping the bailout, they eventually gave in. Expect that the remaining five votes will be found somewhere with legislators pleading with Governor Douglas behind the scene to let the law pass without veto, so they can keep their quiet support for the bill, quiet.
Reuters - "Lawmakers in the Democratic-led House voted 95-52 in support of the measure, which had already passed the state Senate by a 26-4 vote. Advocates were five votes short of the two-thirds majority needed to override a veto.

The bill, which faces a largely procedural vote (today) before heading to the desk of Republican Governor Jim Douglas, would have made Vermont the third U.S. state, after Connecticut and Massachusetts, to allow gay and lesbian couples to marry. California briefly recognized gay marriage until voters banned it in a referendum last year.

Lawmakers in New Hampshire and Maine are also considering bills to allow gay marriage, putting New England at the heart of a divisive national debate over the issue."
It's coming, and it's coming in a landslide while opportunistic gay rights activists put on the full court press believing this is the best time to entrench such practices, while there is a liberal Washington.

I've been warning Christendom about this now for years. It is best to take the legislative path, and get what you can get in exchange for this inevitability. What we can get, is protection for our forms of marriage. Otherwise, we will merely be defeated and marginalized.

Vermont, if it overrides a Douglas veto, is one word and one court case away, from legal polygamy.
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Thursday, April 02, 2009

Gay Marriage Bill marches towards passage in Vermont House.

"Vermont Freedom to Marry" has the story.
"The Vermont House of Representatives voted by an overwhelming margin to support the freedom to marry. The vote total was 95-52."
There were some amendments designed to quell fears on the traditional marriage side of the aisle or at least placate those persons for the time being. Governor Douglas is expected to veto the final version in what has to be termed a symbolic gesture.
"After the final house vote tomorrow (Friday the 3rd), we expect the Senate to concur with the House amendments before promptly forwarding the bill to the Governor. The override vote may come as early as Tuesday."
Vermont will then become the first state to allow gay "marriage" by some function of the people's will.
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Tuesday, March 31, 2009

Vermont House Judiciary Committee passes "Gay Marriage" bill

8-2.
The Barre Montpelier Times-Argus - "The House Judiciary Committee just passed the same-sex marriage bill on a vote of 8-2. The bill now heads to the full chamber for debate."
Apparently it's headed straight for a Governor Jim Douglas veto. Which apparently, will be overrode.
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Friday, March 20, 2009

A word about "Gay Marriage" blogroll additions

You may notice I have added (for the time being), a few blogs about Vermont Marriage Legislation, and some are from the Gay/Lesbian/Homosexual perspective.


It should be noted that in attempting to find sources of information on the topic, they're the only place to go. Vermont Freedom to Marry keeps an excellent archive of Vermont hearings and public comment. I haven't found anyone else doing so. They're offered by the pro "gay marriage" site without comment, which is to their credit. Of course, it's easy to be above the fray in appearance, when you're winning the legislative war.

It is my intention to remove most of such pro "gay marriage" sites from the blogroll when the issue is passed or fails, until it perhaps, comes up again. The number of exceedingly vile sites that came up when I researched the topic was surprising even for me. I of course, did not link to them.

Hopefully the readership of the Modern Pharisee will take the information at face value and appreciate the fact that I already did a little research, and kept you away from opinions that while relevant, are perhaps too extreme for the Christian sensibility.

Statistically, it is my understanding that gay men represent a greater portion of the entire homosexual community than do lesbians. It then becomes interesting that the majority of testimony on the homosexual side of public comment, is coming from "Lesbian Partners" and advocates of "gay marriage." That then asks the question of whether or not the gay male side of the issue isn't so presentable, for the camera, or suggests that we are more accepting of Lesbians, than gay men.

Such legislation is of interest, because it is a legal precursor to legalized polygyny and polygamy. I do not see the issues as morally connected, but they are legally connected.
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Thursday, March 19, 2009

Sue Sweeney asks, "Which Tradition?" "The Old Testament Tradition?"



Is it the New Testament Tradition Sue asks, or the Old where a man could have as many wives as he wanted?
Which gets right to the heart of it. If, she is asking between the lines, we can redefine marriage to be ONLY one man and ONLY one woman from one man and however many women, can't we do that again?
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Tuesday, March 17, 2009

Why monogamists will lose, and polygynists will lose right along with them.

The April issue of "Origins," a publication of The Ohio State University.
"Polygyny is the family structure most often mentioned in the first five books of the Old Testament."
That saves me the project time devoted to counting them all. I thought so. For years I have warned Christians, Bible thumping fellows of the "fundamentalist" bolt of cloth that they were playing a losing hand on marriage.
The world outside the Church, or those denominations nominally described as Christian, but liberal in doctrinal outlook, point to our failure to recognize that monogamy is only a form of marriage endorsed by God, not marriage itself. Clinging to this wishful view of marriage, in truth a vestige of Rome, will get us what we don't want. For the Stephanie Coontz leaps right from that launching point, the assertion that scriptures most favored families in the Torah, were polygynists, not monogamists, to asserting that we're just wrong. And she's right. The problem is that while we have our heads up our collective posteriors, she will go on to insist that because of this arbitrary change, we should not be listened to when it comes to defining marriage. She, and others will take care of that, for she moves on to discuss a form of marriage not even discussed in scripture.
"Polyandry—one woman and many men—has also been found in some societies. In Tibet and parts of India, Kashmir, and Nepal, a woman may be married to two or more brothers, none of whom can claim exclusive sexual rights to her."
Polyandry, in the Bible is simple adultery, not marriage at all. But remember, she has us dead to rights in the fundamental community. We don't recognize our roots as the most "Bible Believing" group. So if we don't, why pay attention to us? We change things, so they get to as well. Next Stephanie proposes a lie, but a plausible lie, in view of our history.
"The Christian tradition was more condemnatory toward same-sex relationships, but on the other hand, early Christianity wasn’t too keen on heterosexual relationships either. St. Paul maintained that getting married was better than being consumed with passion and giving in to sin, but he argued that staying single and celibate was the best way to serve the Lord. In the medieval European hierarchy of female virtue, the unmarried virgin came in first. The widow, safely delivered from the corruptions of the flesh, came second. And the wife occupied the lowest rung of respectable womanhood."
Fundies are now, unrealistic, prudish loons. Don't listen to them. Christians, have made us backward.
"In the modern industrial world, the United States remains an anomaly in its intolerance toward same-sex relationships. In 2002, an international poll found that 42 percent of Americans believed that homosexuality was morally wrong, compared to just 5 percent of Spaniards, 13 percent of the French, and 16 percent of Italians.

In December 2008, 66 member states of the United Nations signed a statement calling for the decriminalization of homosexuality worldwide. The United States was the only major Western nation that refused to sign. Today, countries as diverse as the Czech Republic, Spain, Norway, South Africa, Australia, Canada, and Croatia permit same-sex domestic partnerships or marriage, with Taiwan and Nepal soon to sign on."
This week, in Vermont, where I live, the the debate rages in the legislature over homosexual marriage. Christians line up insisting that marriage is one man, one woman only. They laugh at us, and discount us, because we are blind, and dishonest. We'd have a far better chance if we hadn't redefined marriage in such prudish ways to start with. More believable. To the inexpert ear after having it demonstrated conclusively that we're lying to ourselves, the lie that homosexuality is acceptable is more attractive.

We have descended to this. Defending an alteration of God's word, as God's word and the world doesn't believe us as a result. What we're going to get as marriage law will attack and destroy us in ways we have not thought of, but I have. I am sure of course, that I have only exposed the tip of the iceberg. The real results of redefining marriage culturally will now come back to haunt us in completely unforeseen ways.

I propose again, that we carve out a place to protect our marriages, not fight society as to what is marriage. If we ever had credibility in their eyes, we no longer do. Esther and Mordecai did not seek to change the world around them, as strangers in a strange land. They sought only the tools to defend themselves. This is what we should seek now, in a post Christian culture.

The problem for the Monogamy Only proponent is that the protection they seek can only come with allowing protection of a variety of other groups, polygynists included. If we want to carve out a place for "Christian Marriage" in the law, we will be asked to show that we have been consistent if we want the protections of our religious freedom. We haven't been, and that's where we will lose. Maybe not this week. But soon, and it will be a bigger loss if we fight the losing battle we now fight.
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