Yes Martha, Texas KNEW about Rozita before the raid was over.

The only questions of course being, how much did they know, and when did they know it. This starts to look like a full on cover up/conspiracy more and more each day.

I made these humorous points to another blogger who is a doubter and another blog. I liked them so much, I made them into a post here.

I will give you some of the various governing laws and principles that affect the flow of communications within a bureaucracy. All of these are squared as to effect when between two agencies, cubed when between three. There are three agencies involved here, that I know of, hence it took more than two days, or even three to get from the discovery of Rozita to the discovery of the Peace Officer with knowledge of her crimes. It in fact represents communications that are relative to light speed for Brooks Long to contact CSPD before the middle of the month. I personally was astounded. We must however assume that normally, the complexity of this path of communication means that the Texas Rangers, or the FBI knew about Rozita before any of them (the Rangers, the FBI and Rozita) even existed.

Law of Communications:

"The inevitable result of improved and enlarged communications between different levels in a hierarchy is a vastly increased area of misunderstanding." (What he said)

The Army Axiom:

"Any order that can be misunderstood has been misunderstood." (It was a miracle!)

Spark's 10th Rule for Project Managers:

"Give all orders verbally. Never write anything down that might go into a 'Pearl Harbor File.' " (they obeyed this law, I'm impressed)

Cornuelle's Law:

"Authority tends to assign jobs to those least able to do them." (They asked the wrong guy)

Parkinson's Third Law:

"Expansion means complexity; and complexity decay." (There were at least 9 people in the chain of communications. The message should have been destroyed once, lost once and repeated a total of three times before reaching the end.)

Parkinson's Fifth Law:

"If there is a way to delay an important decision, the good bureaucracy, public or private, will find it." (This was important, I rest my case)

Gresham's Law:

"Trivial matters are handled promptly; important matters are never solved." (this was too important to attend to quickly)

Weinberg's First Law:

"Progress is made on alternate Fridays." (Progress was made on the 4th, thus no progress was made on the weekend of the 11th. This, is absolute and utter proof, I should have led with it.)

Cheops's Law:

"Nothing ever gets built on schedule or within budget." (only the scheduling part of this law need be applied, YFZ took care of the budget.)

Katz's Law:

"Men and nations will act rationally when all other possibilities have been exhausted." (Proof? All other possibilities had been exhausted, and that takes a long time)"

I thank the website "Murphology" for providing such a long list of such laws, complete with appropriate errors, as are necessary.

I say this half (okay, I'm lying, 1/3) humorously. The points are real after the laughing is over.

We are asked to believe, in light of the new evidence I have found, that is largely being ignored, that a bureaucracy, actually at least THREE bureucracies, sprung into action on Sunday, the 13th of April, 2008, communicated effectively and efficiently on that SUNDAY to the point of ultimate resolution. The Texas Rangers called the FBI in San Angelo, on a Sunday, and then they found someone in Colorado Springs' FBI on that Sunday that had no personal connection with the Agent in Texas and no urgency was communicated to him. (Why? Agent Steve A. Smith would remember the name of that Agent in Texas if it was an emergency.)

He then calls in this non urgent state ( The Message will continue to carry with it the tone of no urgency) Sean Mandel (Third Agency) who calls Hugh Velasquez who calls Terry Thrumston and if we're KIND, Terry Thrumston immediately calls back the FIRST UNNAMED FBI Agent in Texas (who's name Agent Steve A. Smith does not recall and apparently did not pass along) and tells him to have Brooks Long "Call me."

Wrong.

The whole point of this humorous post is that information travels slowly in a bureaucracy. It travels even more slowly between them. It travels even more slowly when the message isn't marked "urgent." (See the original warning to Pearl Harbor about the ATTACK.)

The fact is, that once I uncovered this chain of communication, we have to believe it took a long time, relatively speaking. The time frame for discovery of Rozita Swinton stretches backwards towards about March 30th, 2008. It stretches forward to April 13th, 2008. Somewhere in there she was discovered.

Since I have documented a link in the bureaucratic communication that had to be at least the SECOND, not the FIRST investigation into the matter, this means that somewhere in between the 3rd of April and the 11th, they knew. The likelyhood with bureacratic non urgent communications being as they are. (SEE PEARL HARBOR AGAIN) it tood a good deal of time. That means sometime well before the 11th. Probably no later in April than the 6th.

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The Law of Unintended Consequence and Rozita's Arrest Warrant

Was Rozita's home illegally searched as well?

This is one of those "I'm not an attorney" speculations but what would be the effect of a known falsehood, told by Law Enforcement in the affidavit supporting a search warrant?

Nope, not the warrants used to get into YFZ, but the warrant used to get into Rozita's home, confiscate her things, and arrest her.

See if you can pick out the false statement.

"On April 13, 2008, I was contacted by Sergeant Hugh Velasquez (1514D) regarding information he had obtained from Sergeant Sean Mandel. Sergeant Mandel told Sergeant Velasquez he had been contacted by the Texas Rangers in regard to their investigation into the Yearning for Zion (YFZ) Ranch. Sergeant Mandel related Texas Ranger Brooks Long had advised he had two cellular telephone number listings from the Colorado Springs area (719-351-0913 and 719-243-2866). Sergeant Mandel was aware that the phone number, 719-351-0913, that was possibly related to the reporting party for the YFZ Ranch incident in Eldorado, Texas, was also identified in a prior CSPD case report."

Oh look, I did it for you. Sean Mandel says he DID NOT speak to the Texas Rangers. He specifically states he did not talk to Brooks Long.

The affidavit contains a known falsehood. Does this mean all the evidence connected to THAT raid will be disallowed? Should I call David Foley and give him a hand? Just thinking perversely here.

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First Contact UPDATE, regarding Rozita Swinton and Texas.

I spoke with FBI Agent Steve A. Smith

. He cannot recall the date of contact. It was FBI office to FBI office and apparently, deliberately, informal. He did not "open a case."

San Angelo's office called him, he passed the information to Sean Mandel, Sean Mandel to Hugh Velasquez, Hugh Velasquez to Terry Thrumston. Assistant District Attorney Amy Mullaney swears out the warrant.

Steve says he would know the name if he heard it, of the agent that called. He cannot recall if Rozita's name was used in the interoffice contact between Colorado Springs and San Angelo.

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First Contact About Rozita Swinton, NOT with CSPD, but actually with the FBI

I spoke to Colorado Springs Police Lieutenant Sean Mandel today. Breaking news

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The first contact between Texas Law Enforcement and Colorado was not actually with Colorado, it was with the FBI. Someone in Texas contacted the FBI and Agent Steve A. Smith then communicated with then Sgt. Sean Mandel as he was on detached service with the FBI from CSPD. Lt. Mandel spoke with then Sgt. Brooks Long once or twice in his recollection, which seems to be that they spoke "later in the day."

I emphasize that FIRST CONTACT as presented in Exhibit 3, attachment A, p.5 is not with Sean Mandel and Brooks Long. It is SOMEBODY from Texas, and SOMEBODY with the FBI. It filters through Agent Steve Smith to Sean Mandel and then a conversation occurs with Brooks Long.

The rest of the affidavit attached to the warrant is accurate in the successive events. Then Sgt. Sean Mandel communicated with Sgt. Hugh Velasquez who was on active duty with CSPD, who then communicated with Terry Thrumston, who then gave the affidavit to Amy Mullaney for the warrant. Sean Mandel did not go on the arrest, and says "Texas flew up" to go with the arresting officers.

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Exhibit 3, attachment A, p.5 Something Fishy Going On?

In Warren's motion for an evidentiary hearing, a reference is made to "Exhibit 3, attachment A, p.5." Poster "kbp" correctly identifies the document as

This one.

I have been reviewing the document and found this fascinatingly vague presentation, that on first blush, pins the time for investigating Rozita Swinton's hoax "Sarah" call as April 13th, 2008, but actually, it does not.

"On April 13, 2008, I was contacted by Sergeant Hugh Velasquez (1514D) regarding information he had obtained from Sergeant Sean Mandel. Sergeant Mandel told Sergeant Velasquez he had been contacted by the Texas Rangers in regard to their investigation into the Yearning for Zion (YFZ) Ranch. Sergeant Mandel related Texas Ranger Brooks Long had advised he had two cellular telephone number listings from the Colorado Springs area (719-351-0913 and 719-243-2866). Sergeant Mandel was aware that the phone number, 719-351-0913, that was possibly related to the reporting party for the YFZ Ranch incident in Eldorado, Texas, was also identified in a prior CSPD case report."

Note that the writers are Terry E. Thrumston and Amy Mullaney, Assistant District Attorney, for El Paso County (Colorado Springs) Colorado. The speaker is Terry E. Thrumston, This is found on pages 11 & 12 of the Adobe Acrobat facsimile of the document, Thrumston's report ends on page 11, or on the 8th page of the original.

So this is what happens here. Terry Thrumston is relating a story told to him by Hugh Velasquez, which was told to him by Sean Mandel. This occurs on April the 13th. Let's be real clear what this means. On April the 16th, Amy Mullany swears out a warrant based on internal (and probably reliable) hearsay within CSPD (Colorado Springs Police Department).

She takes the statement of Statement of Detective Terry E. Thrumston (Badge #984D) (one degree of separation) and attaches it to an arrest warrant on the 16th. Thrumston in turn has taken this from Sgt. Hugh Velasquez (two degrees) who receives it from Sgt. Sean Mandel (three degrees), who is apparently, no longer with the department. It should be noted that at two degrees of separation, a date is attached. Detective Thrumston says he got the report from Velasquez on the 13th.

It does not say when it was that Sgt. Brooks Long contacted CSPD, or Sgt. Mandel who apparently has moved on to another cushier job in State Government, and is no longer with CSPD. So no date of contact is established. And the warrant is promptly sealed by Amy Mullaney. It is unsealed later and mentioned in the motion posted to the High Profile case of Warren Jeffs at the Mohave County site. The motion is made on and redacted, and posted to that site 01/16/2009 though it is dated for the 13th. I checked Mohave County's site early Friday afternoon. There was no such posting. I went home, it was there. It was dated for the 16th at that time. It now shows up as being posted by it's filing date, Tuesday, and the document is dated for a week prior to it's actual posting date, a week earlier, on the 9th.

Mainly what I am trying to point out is that a degree of sensitivity exists about what's in this motion, and in what is contained in the formerly sealed "Exhibit 3, attachment A. p5. As of yet, I don't know what all of Exhibit 3 is, unless it is the motion itself. In attachment A. is the basis for the claim that Texas contacted Colorado on the 13th. Reading attachment A though, there is no such claim. The first official record is said to be the 13th, on the 16th, when Detective Terry Thrumston makes his statement, that is by now third hand information. I had previously thought that Sean Mandel may have been promoted out of the department but I have received an email reply from another Sean Mandel, and they are not one in the same.

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