Saturday, January 24, 2009

Why it's a Helmet, not a Foil Hat. Conspiracy Theorists VS Obama Birth Certificate Inquirers

"Those trying to vet Obama even post inaugural are not trying to prove a theory, here is why." Michael Bresciani continues...
Renew America - "Most of those filing law suits to subpoena Obama's documents are lawyers, politicians and military people none who have ever been known to be conspiracy theorists on any subject. The attempt to put them in the same class with those who chase UFO sightings or those who are still looking for the Holy Grail is demeaning and ridiculous.

Questions about the body of Hitler, the whereabouts of Osama and how many shooters were on the grassy knowle and other conspiracy questions all have one thing in common; they are speculative and nearly un-answerable. Bringing a birth certificate or school records up out of a vault does not require a bit of speculation. All that's needed is a subpoena not a theory. Producing a document is in no way comparable to proving a theory."

And so we cut the Gordian knot. If you want to know who the whacked out conspiracy theorists are on the right, bring out the birth certificate. Frankly, the "natural born citizen" rule really wasn't meant to keep an Obama out of the White House. Barack Obama had no control over the place of his birth, had no control over where his parents took him, and could just as easily be the very same man he is today, whether he was a natural born citizen, or not. But he simply must be a natural born citizen.

It's not an arbitrary rule, it's a rule that says we have plenty of good candidates for chief executive and no one man is indispensable, so to bar the office from a foreign despot's hands, let our President be a Natural Born Citizen. For this rule to be effective, it must be enforced. For it to be enforced, some sort of "vetting" process must take place. Effectively there is no stop sign if no one pays any attention to it, and the rule is not consistently enforced. Barack Obama knows this, such theory is fundamental to anti descrimination and civil rights laws.

If Space Aliens swooped down and took me away to their mother ship, and on the way to replacing me in society, I saw them plant a forged Obama Birth Certificate, it is impossible to prove this. This is the stuff of nuttery. Even if true a rational man would eschew belief in such things, unless it happened to him, and even then most rational men would question their sanity. It is fact only to me, and I'm not really sure of me in such a case. It's worse than theory to everyone else.

If Obama's birth certificate is forged and so cunningly as to be believed then the Republic is saved, because we asked, and we required an answer. In doing so we prove that no man is above the law, but subject to it. This is a nation of laws after all. We do indeed bow to Obama within the limits of the power of his office, but Obama must bow to the law.

The conspiracy theorists? You'll know them the minute the genuine article is brought out to inspect. If there is no valid certificate, then the nutters on the left will be clearly revealed. So will their demagogues who seek power through their delusion. If there is one, even if at judgment day God reveals to us it was a cunning forgery, the law has none the less been followed and again, the Republic saved. The nuts on the right will fight on because no amount of persuasion will ever change their mind, they have blind faith, they leap without looking.

As for me? Just show it to me. Trust, but verify. Show me the money. Cut through the crap. I have to have a passport, he has to have a birth certificate. Let's see it.

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Toes said...

Doesn't the President have a passport? He has traveled outside of the U.S.

Doesn't a passport identify the holder's place of birth? What documents were shown to obtain his passport?

Couldn't the passport application records be sought under FOIA?

The Pharisee said...

Everything with regard to Obama's original birth certificate is being shielded with privacy laws. He of course, could release the state from privacy law restrictions.

Toes said...

The Privacy Act of 1974 protects all post-1925 passport information, unless the passport holder is over 100 years old. Someone else already thought of this, as there was the news of a breach in March 08, but for several candidates' records. (msnbc.)

Passport Information shows:

A federal, State or local(and in some cases foreign) law enforcement agency may obtain information from U.S. passport files for official use by sending a signed written request on agency letterhead, including the subject’s name, date of birth, place of birth, other identifying information, and the reason for the request (i.e., statute under which investigation is being done). Authenticated copies of records are available upon written request. Requests should be addressed to:

U.S.Department of State
Passport Services
Office of Law Enforcement Liaison
1111 19th Street, NW
Washington, D.C. 20522-1705

Phone: (202) 955-0447
Fax: (202) 955-0288

The statute of course, would be Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution.

Do you know any law enforcement officials who might care to open an investigation?


The Pharisee said...

I don't think he has to show the document that would amount to an original birth certificate. He's already shown facsimiles that I think would be adequate for the purposes of gaining a passport, but not as a document that would prove his "natural born" status.

Toes said...

You cannot use a facsimile for the passport. It has to be a certified copy with the state's raised seal impressed into the paper.

Toes said...

This is what you need for a passport- ONE of any of these:

-Previously issued, undamaged U.S. Passport
-Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state*
-Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth
-Naturalization Certificate
-Certificate of Citizenship

**A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes

Am I beating a dead horse? I will move on to other things. . .